Hi thanks very much for the replys I think you are both correct that maybe I need to get the qualifications in the UK and then apply for a permanent visa in oz that way seems like a more reasonable option the only problem being it would mean being in the UK for another 3 years maybe more and the thought of that isn't good tbh. I'm so fed up here im just trying to thibk of anyway to get back over to oz and a quick route I could have around £80/90k in 6 months when house I sold so would have more money but spending it wouldn't bother me as long as I knew we could stay as I'll happily earn the money again so it wouldn't matter to me. Oh well I'll have to keep thinking and see what time brings any other info from anyone would be much appreciated have fun over in Perth you lucky guys and trust me don't believe some of the gloom story's over read on here Perth is 10x the place of anywhere in the UK a country in my opinion going downhill at a rapid rate. Crime alone here is another level and there's many other things too but we don't need to get into that. Keep safe and have fun. Mike