Guest Want to be in Oz Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 HI Can I get a mortgage if I go over on a 457 visa? Also, how and when does your status become permanent? What other disadvantages might there be going on this visa? We are a family of 4 with 2 toddlers and will need childcare (age 3 and 4). Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 HI Can I get a mortgage if I go over on a 457 visa? Also, how and when does your status become permanent? What other disadvantages might there be going on this visa? We are a family of 4 with 2 toddlers and will need childcare (age 3 and 4). Thanks in advance. I found this on one of the other expat sites, it sums the 457 visa up really well: http://britishexpats.com/wiki/457_Visa_Restrictions You will struggle to get a mortgage but they are available with a big enough deposit, to go permanent resident you will either need to be sponsored for an ENS visa, sponsored by the state or if you qualify for a general skilled migration visa, the latter is an off shore visa so you will have to leave, get the visa granted and return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Want to be in Oz Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Thanks Druid That was a very informative article. Much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Still hasn't put me off - just waiting for the 457 then i'm off to Perth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Want to be in Oz Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 It's not putting me off either. Can you tell me how long it takes to get permanent residency if you're on this type of visa? Do you need to stay with the same employer the entire time? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 It would be easier to stay with the same employer, as soon as I arrive I am starting the process of getting a PR visa, I was initially offered an ENS 856 PR visa, but then Perth was re-classified as regional I was offered the RSMS option, both visas are employer sponsored, I am hoping to get PR within my first year of being on a 457, both visa options require you to stay with the sponsor for 2-3 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Want to be in Oz Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Thanks for the info. I didn't realise you could get PR within a year. Is there specific criteria or do you need to have certain skills? Or is it the employer who makes you permanent? Sorry for all the questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 You can apply for a PR visa anytime, you are only on a 457 which is actually a glorified work permit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Want to be in Oz Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 What is the name of the visa if you are already in Australia - is it still the 175 visa? I thought you had to be in the UK to apply for that. Sorry I'm confused. What is the benefit of getting the 457 then rather than getting the PR visa first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 I am in the UK, we are doing the 457 so we can get into Aus quickly +/- 3 months , the company agreed to go down the ENS 121 road until they found out it would take 8-12 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Want to be in Oz Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Thank you for your help, reading about all the different visas gives me a headache, it's very complicated. I appreciate your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Do be cautious - some employers have promised that they will support ENS sponsorship for PR then dragged their feet once the person has arrived. The 457 is a temporary visa and provides no assurance that you will get PR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Want to be in Oz Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Thanks for the advice Ali. I'm a teacher so I'm on the SOL but I currently work less than 20 hours per week so I can't apply for the 175 until I up my hours. Due to the recession in the UK, it's proving almost impossible. Of course, once I up my hours I'll need to wait a year before I can submit my application for the 175 visa so going on a 475 would solve that. I'm applying for a job as Trainer offering a 475. I was thinking that I might not need the employer to sponsor me for PR and that I could probably do it myself. I hope there's a way of doing that though without me coming home and applying again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Life Down Under Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Hello A 457 doesnt offer a permanent visa, it is a temporary Long Term Business visa valid from 1 day to upto 4 years. It is not a direct route to permanency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Want to be in Oz Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Thanks for the advice New life down Under. I see that you're a migration agent. Do have any advice? It's a really stupid situation. I worked full-time for 6 years but the last 2 I've just been working 2 days per week so this 20 hours a week rule is not in my favour. I'm not sure where to go from here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verystormy Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Remember. A 457 is a temp visa and should not be regarded as a route to perm. Also, be aware of the visa restrictions. Particularly if you lose your job you may only have 28 days to find another sponsor or leave the country. When the GFC hit in 2008 i know several people who were forced out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Life Down Under Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Hello, presumably you already have your Standard Business Sponsor and Nomination already to have applied for a S/C 457 visa? In order to apply for this visa you must have been nominated for a specified position? Please be mindful that on grant, this visa will have condition 8107 imposed which specifies that you must work in the nominated position only and for the nominated employer. If you wish to change employer you need to reapply for a new visa,. Hope that helps. Remember a 457 does not offer permanency directly but may help with regards to securing an ENS or RSMS visa subject to meeting the criteria and legislation. Many people use this visa as a pathway to gain experience with an employer so they can claim points for a Skilled Independant onshore visa. Good luck! The 20 hours ruling is usually for the nominated position ie 457 is for fulltime employment not normally for part time. subject to the skill you are applying for and whether or not you need registration/licensing to work here would be the factor deermining whether or not your current work exp. at 20 hours per week is OK. However, 457 can not nominate a position of 20 hrs pw NORMALLY!!! Hope that is a bit clearer now and I havent confused you more! Good luck with your visa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Want to be in Oz Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Thank you very much New life down Under. Your comments are very useful. I think you may have misunderstood part of what I was saying. I can't get the 175 visa as a secondary school teacher as I currently work less than 20 hours per week. I've been told that I need to be working at least 20 hours per week for 12 out of the last 24 months. It seems crazy that my 6 years full-time work prior to going part-time doesn't count. I work 2 days per week and although we don't have set hours, under the McCrone agreement we are contracted for a 35 hour working week if full time. So that's why I've applied for a job which is offering sponsorship. I'm wondering if I'll be able to apply permanent residency within a year if I work full-time in Australia under the 457 visa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Life Down Under Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Thank you very much New life down Under. Your comments are very useful. I think you may have misunderstood part of what I was saying. I can't get the 175 visa as a secondary school teacher as I currently work less than 20 hours per week. I've been told that I need to be working at least 20 hours per week for 12 out of the last 24 months. It seems crazy that my 6 years full-time work prior to going part-time doesn't count. I work 2 days per week and although we don't have set hours, under the McCrone agreement we are contracted for a 35 hour working week if full time. So that's why I've applied for a job which is offering sponsorship. I'm wondering if I'll be able to apply permanent residency within a year if I work full-time in Australia under the 457 visa? Hello, depending on the visa class you are intending to apply for you MAY be able to apply for PR after one year. You may be able to gain additional points as well for some GSM visas for Australian work experience. RSMS visas sometimes require 2 years in Australia to be able e to meet the exceptional circumstances criteria of not having an Australian qualification, however, please be advised that this is general advice and not specific to you, as I do not have a full case history and I am posting this on to provide general information to the forum. At the moment there is a huge amount of confusion with regards to Regional Skilled Migration, just because Perth has become REgional, visa applicants still need to meet specified criteria in order to qualify. Good luck with your application. We always seem to be short of teacher! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Want to be in Oz Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Thanks for the advice, much appreciated. I guess, if I get the job I've applied for, and I like it after a year in oz then I'll contact a migration agent to discuss the best way forward. I wasn't sure if I'd be better to up my hours for a year in the UK then apply for the 175 visa but when I think about it, they are planning to make changes to immigration next July so I'd be as well to get there and see what happens. Teacher might not even be on the SOL next year. I'm tempted to ask my employer for a letter stating that I work 20 hours as although I technically only teach about 14 hours I do a lot of other work such as parents' evenings, report writing, CPD courses, preparation and marking etc in my own time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Life Down Under Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 Thanks for the advice, much appreciated. I guess, if I get the job I've applied for, and I like it after a year in oz then I'll contact a migration agent to discuss the best way forward. I wasn't sure if I'd be better to up my hours for a year in the UK then apply for the 175 visa but when I think about it, they are planning to make changes to immigration next July so I'd be as well to get there and see what happens. Teacher might not even be on the SOL next year. I'm tempted to ask my employer for a letter stating that I work 20 hours as although I technically only teach about 14 hours I do a lot of other work such as parents' evenings, report writing, CPD courses, preparation and marking etc in my own time. I would not advise anyone to falsify any documents with DIAC. They can ask for you to produce payslips if necessary which will contradict information. If your contract is for 14 hrs pw, that is your working hours as far as migration law is concerned. DIAC would also be in their rights to cancel your visa if you had provided incorrect information at the time of application. That would be detrimental for your chances of seeking PR or remaining in Australia. Honesty is always the best way! It is likely your employer may look at RSM after you have worked for them for a year or two. Good luck with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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