sparky69 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Hi all, Just wanted to get advice about the practical part of the vetteassess for electricians as I have mine coming up shortly. Can anybody shed some light please Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osmond8 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Hi, I've just done mine this month sure it will be very similar or the same. A two way lighting circuit using clipped direct twin and earth to the light and 20mm conduit from the light to the switches wiring in singles. A radial circuit consisting of one socket. Bonding of a piece of pipe to consumer unit. Draw motor circuit diagram consisting of contactor start/stop button and overload. Then wire up as to your drawing all wires are plug in banana plugs quite quick to do. A question on star / delta connections. most important section safe isolation follow procedure given by vetassess. To isolate and remove heater to replace and then energise supply as to procedure really strict on this. theory test questions include resistors in parallell/ series, power formulas PIV etc. three phase calculations. Transformer ratios. RMS values. 0.737 and 0.637 etc. i think thats it. hope this is useful. good luck Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osmond8 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Forgot you have to do insulation resistance test and polarity test of your insulation for practical. I think thats got it all. Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Sparky69, When is your assessment? I had booked and paid for one for April then a week later Vetasess emailed me and told me it was full and booked me on the March assessment, a date I can not make which they knew I couldn't as I work overseas and had refused that assessment date already. I even offered to go to Cape Town to sit the assessment there and they told me that one was fully booked. My agent is working on securing another date for me as Vetassess have told me lie after lie about why they cancelled my assessment. Anyway, I have a lot of information on PDF, books, HNC course work, etc, about most of the calculations required. We can wok together on it if you like? Osmond8, Is the DOL starter single or three phase? It's all easy enough really but would just like to know exactly what they want you to do. And what kind of questions do they ask you for the star-delta motor? Can you also give a bit more info on 3 phase calculations? I assume it's Sqrt3 stuff like that. The RMS value is 0.707 and the average value is 0.637. This is used for calculating the 'form factor'. The 'form factor' of an alternating waveform is an expression of the ratio of r.m.s. value to the average value: 0.707 / 0.637 = 1.11. The form factor can be used for converting r.m.s. values to average values and vice versa, e.g. for a sine wave: Average value = r.m.s value / 1.11 r.m.s value = average value x 1.11 Is that the kind of questions they ask you? Thanks for any help you can give. John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loulou Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Hi all,Just wanted to get advice about the practical part of the vetteassess for electricians as I have mine coming up shortly. Can anybody shed some light please Thanks THIS IS MY OH FROM LAST YEAR . HOPE IT HELPS the day started in the main hall about 40-50 people all different trades, then we were sent off with different assessors. started in the classroom checking passports and paperwork. we were first given some risk assessments to fill in nothing too complicated things like task- use of hand tools risk involved- cuts and bruises to persons using tools method to reduce risk- person to be competent in using such equipment. you are asked to complete 3 or 4 of the tasks so have a few ready to put down. quite basic stuff though. we were then given the multiple choice questions. you need to get 4 out of 5 questions right in each section 4 sections in total. plenty of time to complete them but if like me you left college 20+ years ago you want to put some revision in , there were lots of circuit calculations, resistors in parallel + series so revise OHMS law u = 1 x R revise the formulas for parallel & series and practice examples there were a few power questions RMS values power (watts) = voltage (volts) x current (ampres) P = U x I power factor etc inductance in a circuit would hold back current (lagging circuit) capacitance would hold back voltage ( leading circuit) transformer ratios one or two on 3 phase power . from there we went to the workshop just the same as in college your own work area to begin the practical. all materials laid out on table and you just take what you need consumer unit rcd mcbs screws conduit etc... as your getting on with that she calls you to do other part disconnection reconnection process or the DOL starter once you have done that you return to your work station and carry on . now the tricky part ( for me anyway) DOL STARTER you have to draw a circuit for the DOL starter get to know the symbols for each part etc then will then ask you to connect it altogether with push in leads and you can put 1 lead into another for the self hold contact in parallel on 11 connected 13 and 12 to 14 as the diagram shows. you then have to go away and she puts a fault on it. so its just a matter of checking each lead to the diagram or just pull them all out and start again. having the diagram i was emailed will help you make sense of this part please pm if you would like a copy i can email it to you ( big thanks to stephen derby for this ) I was really stressed about this part as I dont work with DOL starters but having now done it and also having a diagram emailed to by another poster on here it was very basic stuff there is also another diagram for the layout of the practical task which can be emailed aswell .when carrying out the practical there are set dimensions you have to stick to such as distance between switches , socket heights and lamp holder positioning check your dimensions draw it in pencil on the wall. you have to carry out continuity test and insulation resistance with a megger and record results and if they pass or fail. They then connect a power lead up to the consumer unit to check it all works. Get to know the disconnection and reconnection process by heart they are very strict on this. you have to talk them through what you are doing and you cant miss anything out just remember check voltage tester at known source first and then again after each time you use it. she was helpful and prompted you but would not tell you what to do They do have tools there but looks better if you have your own, only used safety boots and took overalls hat gloves and goggles but didn't need them . was finished by 4pm then they rang me to say I hadn't completed some paperwork so i rushed back and it was just a questionaire !!! so just have to sit and wait for the results, in the next 10 days. if you have any questions please feel free to ask and I will pass on to my husband good luck all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky69 Posted February 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Hi all I just wanted to say a big thank you to u all for giving me some advice hopefully I will be doing my 2nd part in March or it could be April so my agent says just waiting for results of first part Loulou I will pm you with my email for that dol starter diagram thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky69 Posted February 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Hi john That would be great to agree to work together to heads better than one me thinks thanks very much I will pm you with my email if you ok with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osmond8 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I'm sure it was single phase not that it mattered it was all about control circuit if you understand the latching circuit principle it'll be walk in the park. stop button then start button in parallel with normally open contact then overload then contactor coil. all formulas are on the back of test paper so as long as you know which to use you'll be fine. Three phase square root3 equations. Line voltage and phase voltage calculations for star and delta. I think there was 16 questions broken into 4 subjects and you could only get one question wrong in each section or you'd fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky69 Posted February 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Any recommendations on what books to get me being a forty something spark !! Can't remember stuff like that since my college days No pressure on you if you if you can only get one question wrong on all four sections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osmond8 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 They are good reasonable people who do the test so between you and me they give you a few attempts at it if you need them. I've got a fair few books one is this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/Electrical-Installation-Work-Brian-Scaddan/dp/0750666196/ref=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1361747127&sr=1-9 I've also got a electrical copy of a HNC book which will cover everything and more I could email you if you want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkm Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Hi loulou i am new to this forum kind of thing but as I have got my electrical skills assessment in April I found your info really useful. Would it be possible to send a copy of diagrams as mentioned, this would be really helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Well, after lots of back and forth emails and phone calls with Vetassess I have finally got my assessment date for April 27th, in London. Can't wait to get it over and done with then apply for State Sponsorship. If everything goes to plan I should have my visa application in before the end of the visa year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw86 Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Hi Loulou, just reading over your post and I was wondering if I can get a copy of the vetassess drawings you have and any useful information or pointers your O/H has it would be much appreciated. I have my assessment this Friday. cherrs ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) Ian, I have sent you some stuff, if you need anything else then just let me know. There will also be calculations involving transformers, these are all straight forward. Hope it helps. John. Edited May 28, 2014 by John S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loulou Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 thini have replied to your inbox from pomsin oz! hope it helps lou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Hand Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 THIS IS MY OH FROM LAST YEAR . HOPE IT HELPS the day started in the main hall about 40-50 people all different trades, then we were sent off with different assessors. started in the classroom checking passports and paperwork. we were first given some risk assessments to fill in nothing too complicated things like task- use of hand tools risk involved- cuts and bruises to persons using tools method to reduce risk- person to be competent in using such equipment. you are asked to complete 3 or 4 of the tasks so have a few ready to put down. quite basic stuff though. we were then given the multiple choice questions. you need to get 4 out of 5 questions right in each section 4 sections in total. plenty of time to complete them but if like me you left college 20+ years ago you want to put some revision in , there were lots of circuit calculations, resistors in parallel + series so revise OHMS law u = 1 x R revise the formulas for parallel & series and practice examples there were a few power questions RMS values power (watts) = voltage (volts) x current (ampres) P = U x I power factor etc inductance in a circuit would hold back current (lagging circuit) capacitance would hold back voltage ( leading circuit) transformer ratios one or two on 3 phase power . from there we went to the workshop just the same as in college your own work area to begin the practical. all materials laid out on table and you just take what you need consumer unit rcd mcbs screws conduit etc... as your getting on with that she calls you to do other part disconnection reconnection process or the DOL starter once you have done that you return to your work station and carry on . now the tricky part ( for me anyway) DOL STARTER you have to draw a circuit for the DOL starter get to know the symbols for each part etc then will then ask you to connect it altogether with push in leads and you can put 1 lead into another for the self hold contact in parallel on 11 connected 13 and 12 to 14 as the diagram shows. you then have to go away and she puts a fault on it. so its just a matter of checking each lead to the diagram or just pull them all out and start again. having the diagram i was emailed will help you make sense of this part please pm if you would like a copy i can email it to you ( big thanks to stephen derby for this ) I was really stressed about this part as I dont work with DOL starters but having now done it and also having a diagram emailed to by another poster on here it was very basic stuff there is also another diagram for the layout of the practical task which can be emailed aswell .when carrying out the practical there are set dimensions you have to stick to such as distance between switches , socket heights and lamp holder positioning check your dimensions draw it in pencil on the wall. you have to carry out continuity test and insulation resistance with a megger and record results and if they pass or fail. They then connect a power lead up to the consumer unit to check it all works. Get to know the disconnection and reconnection process by heart they are very strict on this. you have to talk them through what you are doing and you cant miss anything out just remember check voltage tester at known source first and then again after each time you use it. she was helpful and prompted you but would not tell you what to do They do have tools there but looks better if you have your own, only used safety boots and took overalls hat gloves and goggles but didn't need them . was finished by 4pm then they rang me to say I hadn't completed some paperwork so i rushed back and it was just a questionaire !!! so just have to sit and wait for the results, in the next 10 days. if you have any questions please feel free to ask and I will pass on to my husband good luck all Hi hi I have mine in a couple of weeks is there any chance you could send me that info please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom1986 Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 i know this is an old thread but do you still have the diagrams??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieH Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Hi guys! I'm new on this site, I have my skills assessment this weekend and I'm a little nervous because I have so many diagrams of a DOL starter but they are all different. Does anyone have a diagram they can share that they know would pass the assessment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loulou Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Hi Tom Sorry only just seen this if its not too late PM your email address and I will send it on to you. Louise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Hand Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Hi guys! I'm new on this site, I have my skills assessment this weekend and I'm a little nervous because I have so many diagrams of a DOL starter but they are all different. Does anyone have a diagram they can share that they know would pass the assessment? some of the symbols maybe off but you get the gist, don't panic it's pretty easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTOWN Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 This has been very useful, thank you. Our agent is just about to send off the application for first part of the VETASSESS/TRA application (cant remember which one its with). This has been such a long drawn out process. Taken 5 months, of collecting information and evidence ect. Lets hope its all going to be worth it!! Does anyone know what the chances are of being unsuccessful at this stage? Have any electricians recently made the move / in the process of doing so?? Be good to hear from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Hand Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Got it my visa through about 2 months ago after a slog, you'll have to get your health/police checks next and then when you log it will take about 3 months, I fly out on March 12th but heading to Sydney. Are you going for a 189 visa? If you've passed everything so far and done your EOI I can't see as to why they wouldn't grant you what you want. This has been very useful, thank you.Our agent is just about to send off the application for first part of the VETASSESS/TRA application (cant remember which one its with). This has been such a long drawn out process. Taken 5 months, of collecting information and evidence ect. Lets hope its all going to be worth it!! Does anyone know what the chances are of being unsuccessful at this stage? Have any electricians recently made the move / in the process of doing so?? Be good to hear from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lameck Posted March 22, 2020 Report Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) I will doing practical assessment in July 2020 for Electricians, could anyone who did it shed light on what I must expect . email me handouts Edited March 23, 2020 by verystormy Forum rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verystormy Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 15 hours ago, Lameck said: I will doing practical assessment in July 2020 for Electricians, could anyone who did it shed light on what I must expect . email me handouts These have all been suspended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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