OMG ! what on earth is happening to other side of OZ !

[pegg]

Been watching footage basically over last couple of years of goings on in Melbourne etc .... With the most extreme lockdowns .

Now ive been watching people being arrested for just walking ! Helicopters flying overhead blasting out messages of fear, terrifying children in parks etc !

I know the world is a crazy place right now ..... But OZ seems to be leading the world in the fear tactics !

Although not seen anything to worry about in Perth , all seems quite normal ...... but across the borders .... Wow !

[FOL]

Stop watching the news mate  AFAIK it isn't that bad.

p.s. life in Perth is good,

[pegg]

i like your advice !  ...... cheers for this

2 hours ago, FOL said:

Stop watching the news mate  AFAIK it isn't that bad.

p.s. life in Perth is good,

 

[pegg]

Well , spoke to a pal in NSW and man ! yep it aint the news ! $5k for leaving the house , $5k for exercise .... honestly married to a NHS nurse that is very high in her field ..... And hearing this agenda unveiling in Oz .... Sad times over the boarder matey , thank god Perth isn't following suit 

[Rossmoyne]

I have family in Victoria and Queensland (that I haven't seen for 20 months), and I can tell you it isn't too good over there at the moment.     The "rules" seem to change daily, the fines are ludicrous, and the people are beginning to get mightily cheesed off.   I think that one of the issues is that each state premier has a different slant on how to deal with it, and do so according to their ego and power play,.   Last weekend there were Freedom Rallies in every capital city around Australia.   All were well attended and peaceful, with the exception of NSW and Victoria.   NSW stopped all transport into the city and flooded Sydney with police and fining everyone for being out in public.  Victorian police rocked up part way through the rally dressed in full riot gear and firing rubber bullets and tear gas!   There is plenty of video evidence on the internet to show that the Melbourne Rally was peaceful until the police appeared, and the whole situation is just inflaming the general population.   Behind a lot of this is the coercion to bring in mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports to even leave your own state to travel within Australia.   Many people are against forced vaccination believing "my body, my choice" and I totally agree with that as I think we should have the final say over what we do to our bodies, as per our Constitution, but I think the government have gone about the whole thing too forcefully and with bad planning, so there are lots of rumblings of discontent among the population.   WA so far has been lucky that we haven't been inundated with cases, but it is only a matter of time, and like very many other people around the world, I think we just have to learn to live with it.   What scares me most though is that the police in Victoria would turn on a peaceful rally with such a show of force..... not sure where that will end, but I don't think it will be good for any of us.

[verystormy]

1 hour ago, Rossmoyne said:

I have family in Victoria and Queensland (that I haven't seen for 20 months), and I can tell you it isn't too good over there at the moment.     The "rules" seem to change daily, the fines are ludicrous, and the people are beginning to get mightily cheesed off.   I think that one of the issues is that each state premier has a different slant on how to deal with it, and do so according to their ego and power play,.   Last weekend there were Freedom Rallies in every capital city around Australia.   All were well attended and peaceful, with the exception of NSW and Victoria.   NSW stopped all transport into the city and flooded Sydney with police and fining everyone for being out in public.  Victorian police rocked up part way through the rally dressed in full riot gear and firing rubber bullets and tear gas!   There is plenty of video evidence on the internet to show that the Melbourne Rally was peaceful until the police appeared, and the whole situation is just inflaming the general population.   Behind a lot of this is the coercion to bring in mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports to even leave your own state to travel within Australia.   Many people are against forced vaccination believing "my body, my choice" and I totally agree with that as I think we should have the final say over what we do to our bodies, as per our Constitution, but I think the government have gone about the whole thing too forcefully and with bad planning, so there are lots of rumblings of discontent among the population.   WA so far has been lucky that we haven't been inundated with cases, but it is only a matter of time, and like very many other people around the world, I think we just have to learn to live with it.   What scares me most though is that the police in Victoria would turn on a peaceful rally with such a show of force..... not sure where that will end, but I don't think it will be good for any of us.

I am not certain you understand why lockdowns happen. It is to protect health services from being overwhelmed. Simple as that. Look what happens if you don't, which is what some US states are currently doing. Hospitals are full of covid patients. Every ICU is full and 68 major hospitals are about to run out of oxygen. The result of that is that people are dying from the other things that normally need hospital care as the beds are all full and no space to treat them.

As for vaccination. Yes, everyone has a right to chose. But, along with any right comes responsibility and the impact on other people's right. So, personally I would support a person not getting a vaccine on the condition they sign away their right to medical care of any description. Let Darwin manage it and remove the stupid from the gene pool. 

[Rossmoyne]

1 hour ago, verystormy said:

I am not certain you understand why lockdowns happen. It is to protect health services from being overwhelmed. Simple as that. Look what happens if you don't, which is what some US states are currently doing. Hospitals are full of covid patients. Every ICU is full and 68 major hospitals are about to run out of oxygen. The result of that is that people are dying from the other things that normally need hospital care as the beds are all full and no space to treat them.

As for vaccination. Yes, everyone has a right to chose. But, along with any right comes responsibility and the impact on other people's right. So, personally I would support a person not getting a vaccine on the condition they sign away their right to medical care of any description. Let Darwin manage it and remove the stupid from the gene pool. 

How condescending of you to assume my understanding of lockdowns.   I am well aware of why they happen.   I have obeyed the rules each time to do my bit to keep everyone safe, so please read my comments again with that in mind. 

I just stated what is happening on the ground here in answer to the question posed by the poster.  At no time did I say that I opposed vaccination.  However, there are people who for health reasons cannot be vaccinated, and to deny them medical care of any description as you stated, is totally wrong and selfish, let alone your offensive comment about removing "the stupid from the gene pool".

There are a lot of people in Australia who are vaccine hesitant because of the bad press about Astrazenica, and I am sure that is partly because we have fared much better here than other countries, and they either don't see the need for it, or are perhaps scared of the new technology involved in the making the these MRNA vaccines.    I blame the government for a large part in this as the whole rollout of the vaccine has been a shambles in organisation and with nowhere enough vaccine available for those who want it.  The constant media and government push is wearing very thin, and if you know anything of peoples attitudes, when being pushed into something, they dig their feet in.  

 

[FOL]

On 28/08/2021 at 14:48, Rossmoyne said:

However, there are people who for health reasons cannot be vaccinated, and to deny them medical care of any description as you stated

In all pro-vaccination arguments (whether optional or forceful) the pro vaxxers make a distinction about those people who can't due to health reason, so that's no argument.

Besides that, carry on with the discussion

[pegg]

Wow not been on here for an age ! forgot i started this thread . Anyhow So my view and update of this situation and bearing in mind my attachment to the major hospital in the UK that deals with respiratory etc.  ..... So in the Uk alot of us where mocked for voicing our opinions , however all we stated is now coming true . Our government has failed us , and if you believe a word from W.H.O then you really need to switch off your TV.

Anyhow yep so im obviously very close to major hospitals and can access data showing beds and care etc ..... Not once have hospitals been over run . Hospitals have never been so quiet , it is embarrasing , yet the media has taken so many of the public for a ride . Ourselves are not anti vax - But wow , they are really pushing this jab over here ! A jab that is still in the trial period ! The media are not reporting on all the adverse reactions to the jab and the deaths caused. We have now seen a massive increase of deaths since the jab rollout. Hospital wards are 80 % full of vax patients . the nurse's that took the jab are off sick . We are now loosing 100k care staff as they refuse to take the jibby jabby ...... and it is said that 600k NHS staff have not and will not take the shot ! So yes very dark times , im still in contact with a few Ozzies and they arent to happy . But yep the other side of australia is horrendous , But i and many more prey that this is a great awakening . 

So , yep thats whats happening here , if you watch any media - the lies are horrific , So may Drs and Nurses cannot believe the lies , especially Borris's latest one saying the unvaxed are clogging up hospital beds ???? Dark Times . anyway , might be delayed in getting over there for a while , but the thought of the sun always comes back to remind me of happy times in Perth. Hope everyones well .......... And turn off ya TV 

Also , another little tip , you never use a ventilator on a  respiratory compromised patient  ! 

[pegg]

I imagine the above post will be deleted soon as anything going against the "plan" seems to go that way. But we are not "anti wax" , not at all ..... modern medicine has proved itself many many a time. 

But when flu disappears for 2 years ?.... And if you die within 30 days of convid test -  even if you die in a car crash ! its convid on death certificate ! the PCR test was never designed for this - so constant false positives .

If you died 3 years ago from flu ...... well the flu bought on pneumonia and that was on your death cert , but flu was not put on . However now if you contract convid and leads to pneumonia - Convid is added ?

At the start like i mentioned before ventilators  where used which cost more lives , and then " do not resuscitate " was bought in place.

The world is in debt like never before , and people think if they take this shot - life will be back to normal ! it never will ! look at Israel are they on 4th shot now ??? And highest rate of deaths ?

This is a mrna injection ...... nothing like this has been trailed before...... And for what - the flu ???? covid has been around for years and now suddenly everyone feels they need a shot ! a shot that dosent protect them or stop them from catching it or passing on ????  Bizarre world .......... I have many nurse friends abroad , so many agree something is not right. 

Anyhow , Lets hope we get through this , and the ones that have been associated with this clinical trial are punished in due course ...... Because i promise you in the back ground the evidence is mounting ..... Much love , enjoy the sun ! 

[Rossmoyne]

9 minutes ago, pegg said:

I imagine the above post will be deleted soon as anything going against the "plan" seems to go that way. But we are not "anti wax" , not at all ..... modern medicine has proved itself many many a time. 

But when flu disappears for 2 years ?.... And if you die within 30 days of convid test -  even if you die in a car crash ! its convid on death certificate ! the PCR test was never designed for this - so constant false positives .

If you died 3 years ago from flu ...... well the flu bought on pneumonia and that was on your death cert , but flu was not put on . However now if you contract convid and leads to pneumonia - Convid is added ?

At the start like i mentioned before ventilators  where used which cost more lives , and then " do not resuscitate " was bought in place.

The world is in debt like never before , and people think if they take this shot - life will be back to normal ! it never will ! look at Israel are they on 4th shot now ??? And highest rate of deaths ?

This is a mrna injection ...... nothing like this has been trailed before...... And for what - the flu ???? covid has been around for years and now suddenly everyone feels they need a shot ! a shot that dosent protect them or stop them from catching it or passing on ????  Bizarre world .......... I have many nurse friends abroad , so many agree something is not right. 

Anyhow , Lets hope we get through this , and the ones that have been associated with this clinical trial are punished in due course ...... Because i promise you in the back ground the evidence is mounting ..... Much love , enjoy the sun ! 

At last a voice of reason about this whole covid thing!   Over the past 18 months, being a critical thinker and a person who has Doctors and Nurses as friends in UK, Oz and NZ, who tell me what you have, I have really started to look into this so much more.   I am deeply concerned about what is going on and where it is all going.   I don't talk about this now apart from with my family, as I am sick of being called a conspiracy theorist or anti vaxer, and told to take my tin foil hat off!   But slowly over the past months, friends are beginning to say to me that they now agree with me because they have started to look into what is happening.

Thank you @pegg for posting your last two posts.   Although I expect we will both be "cancelled" for daring to think outside the box and be critical thinkers instead of sheep.   And yes I guess both your posts and mine will be deleted.    Which is a shame because that just goes to show that free speech and thought is just not allowed anymore in the world.

Keep well.   Rossy

[pegg]

Hey @Rossmoyne if you download the Telegram app on your mobile phone - this is where you will find lots of local groups and information. The world is protesting but the main stream media will not show it. We have dear fiends that are Doctors in the UK that took the jab due to thinking they had to , but really now regret it. We will now see in the UK , what will happen like i say hospital wards are mostly full of vaccinated patients - FACT ! Not bbc fact Not Facebook fact .... BUT fact from the NHS workers , the Dr's and Nurses . The workers in the NHS now have a new union which are going to fight for this horrific agenda  - WORKERS OF ENGLAND UNION ..... And the data shows 600k nhs staff are refusing the jab ! So we are going to be in for a rough ride if they try to fire them .

Obviously on a personal level , were a'bit peed off as cannot travel back to Oz without Vaccination card  ( however there are ways around this ) .... But yes please do your research, Oh also im pretty impressed with Australia first leader " Riccardo Bosi " ...... I pretty sure where gonna come through this very strong indeed. 

But yep get on telegram , or if Perth have "stand i the park" meets - think on sundays , pop down and meet fellow good honest folk . 

[Rossmoyne]

Thanks I will look into this.  

I was at the Perth Rally yesterday as I had to go to the city anyway and decided to trot along to Forrest Place to see what was happening.   I was blown away by the huge crowds... so many more than the 10,000 the msm say were there, and when I got home and did some research, the numbers were estimated at 50,000 plus.  The crowds were not as the media state, "full of redneck anti-vaxers and antifa bullies", but were just ordinary Aussie Mums and Dads of all ages and enthnicities.   The whole thing was very orderly and well behaved.  People were polite to each other, and towards the end the Police were even joining in.   I spoke to a few people who were standing on the side like me, and some were medical professionals who opposed the vax because they had seen  the vaccine damaged in their wards and A and E's... and they were telling me stories that align exactly with what you have been saying.   Some people were saying they had taken the vax purely to keep their job and feed their families, so hated the coercion and mandatory issue.   Others were unvaxed and were prepared to stay that way with no job.... .    One theme that ran through all the conversations I had, was that it wasn't until earlier this year that a lot of people starting to get suspicious of the official rhetoric and starting putting their critical thinking hats on and investigating/researching the whole situation.   Which is me too actually.  I have to say that I admired the stance of these people really standing up to what they believe in, and for doing it in a respectful manner.

[pegg]

1 hour ago, Rossmoyne said:

Thanks I will look into this.  

I was at the Perth Rally yesterday as I had to go to the city anyway and decided to trot along to Forrest Place to see what was happening.   I was blown away by the huge crowds... so many more than the 10,000 the msm say were there, and when I got home and did some research, the numbers were estimated at 50,000 plus.  The crowds were not as the media state, "full of redneck anti-vaxers and antifa bullies", but were just ordinary Aussie Mums and Dads of all ages and enthnicities.   The whole thing was very orderly and well behaved.  People were polite to each other, and towards the end the Police were even joining in.   I spoke to a few people who were standing on the side like me, and some were medical professionals who opposed the vax because they had seen  the vaccine damaged in their wards and A and E's... and they were telling me stories that align exactly with what you have been saying.   Some people were saying they had taken the vax purely to keep their job and feed their families, so hated the coercion and mandatory issue.   Others were unvaxed and were prepared to stay that way with no job.... .    One theme that ran through all the conversations I had, was that it wasn't until earlier this year that a lot of people starting to get suspicious of the official rhetoric and starting putting their critical thinking hats on and investigating/researching the whole situation.   Which is me too actually.  I have to say that I admired the stance of these people really standing up to what they believe in, and for doing it in a respectful manner.

What is funny , we have peaceful protests all through the year throughout the country , One of the biggest in london was estimated to be nearly a million people ( It was huge ) .......... Yet still not one has been shown on the mainstream News . However a knew kid is on the block - "insulate Britain" lol , now when just 5 people chain themselves to a lamp post crikey its on the news at 10 ! But again these are government lead protests which are going to lead to basically if your house does not have the right insulation then it can no longer be mortgaged ...... Again links with "the world economic forum" . As we know "sustainability" is the knew word which is the biggest threat to our modern way of living right now . But what the public see on the TV the public believes , Strange times old times .

Oh i also do like the fact that masks where worn - Now the interesting thing about these masks that NHS staff wear or even the spotty cotton one worn at the school gates , Is these only offer protection for 3 minutes ........ Now lets think about this 3 minutes ! So you see people kicking off regarding not wearing a face covering , where they have had the same one in there pocket for 6 months !!! I cannot believe the stupidity in the human race . They have fell for this hook line and sinker. Also the problems caused by breathing in your own hot moist breath has lead to many elderly hospitalised.  So many Ex Army guys think the situation is so amusing , they have spent years training for chemical / biological warfare with thousands of pounds of respiratory equipment , yet the government advise for the most deadly flu in history is a paper mask HA HA ....... Gosh i could go on for ages . ( Also the last pandemic the world had - 10 people on average died in every street ? has this happened um nope lol )

 

[Rossmoyne]

19 hours ago, pegg said:

What is funny , we have peaceful protests all through the year throughout the country , One of the biggest in london was estimated to be nearly a million people ( It was huge ) .......... Yet still not one has been shown on the mainstream News . However a knew kid is on the block - "insulate Britain" lol , now when just 5 people chain themselves to a lamp post crikey its on the news at 10 ! But again these are government lead protests which are going to lead to basically if your house does not have the right insulation then it can no longer be mortgaged ...... Again links with "the world economic forum" . As we know "sustainability" is the knew word which is the biggest threat to our modern way of living right now . But what the public see on the TV the public believes , Strange times old times .

Oh i also do like the fact that masks where worn - Now the interesting thing about these masks that NHS staff wear or even the spotty cotton one worn at the school gates , Is these only offer protection for 3 minutes ........ Now lets think about this 3 minutes ! So you see people kicking off regarding not wearing a face covering , where they have had the same one in there pocket for 6 months !!! I cannot believe the stupidity in the human race . They have fell for this hook line and sinker. Also the problems caused by breathing in your own hot moist breath has lead to many elderly hospitalised.  So many Ex Army guys think the situation is so amusing , they have spent years training for chemical / biological warfare with thousands of pounds of respiratory equipment , yet the government advise for the most deadly flu in history is a paper mask HA HA ....... Gosh i could go on for ages . ( Also the last pandemic the world had - 10 people on average died in every street ? has this happened um nope lol )

 

Don't get me started on masks!   A good friend of mine died suddenly in February this year from wearing a mask all day at work for weeks.   She was a chronic asthmatic and had dispensation from her GP not to wear a mask, and didn't when out and about with exemption form in her bag.   However her employer refused to allow her to work unless she wore one, and being a single Mum of 2, she wore the mask for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.  One the Sunday evening she had a major asthma attack whilst in the house on her own.  Her teenage children came back from spending the day with their Dad to find her dead on the lounge floor.  She was 39 years old.   So so sad.

On a lighter note, she was a woman with a wonderful sense of humour, and when she and I were out shopping a few weeks before she passed away, I had a mask on and she didn't.   A bloke walked up to her and shouted at her "No Mask!"...... she quipped back "No nickers either"!    I will never forget the look on his face, and that will always be the lasting memory of my dear friend.

 

[Pokitren]

On 20/11/2021 at 23:02, pegg said:

Hey @Rossmoyne if you download the Telegram app on your mobile phone - this is where you will find lots of local groups and information. The world is protesting but the main stream media will not show it. We have dear fiends that are Doctors in the UK that took the jab due to thinking they had to , but really now regret it. We will now see in the UK , what will happen like i say hospital wards are mostly full of vaccinated patients - FACT ! Not bbc fact Not Facebook fact .... BUT fact from the NHS workers , the Dr's and Nurses . The workers in the NHS now have a new union which are going to fight for this horrific agenda  - WORKERS OF ENGLAND UNION ..... And the data shows 600k nhs staff are refusing the jab ! So we are going to be in for a rough ride if they try to fire them .

Obviously on a personal level , were a'bit peed off as cannot travel back to Oz without Vaccination card  ( however there are ways around this ) .... But yes please do your research, Oh also im pretty impressed with Australia first leader " Riccardo Bosi " ...... I pretty sure where gonna come through this very strong indeed. 

But yep get on telegram , or if Perth have "stand i the park" meets - think on sundays , pop down and meet fellow good honest folk . 

The very fact that there were vaccinated people in the hospital wards makes me dislike medical professionals very much. I didn't want to get vaccinated, so I didn't. Now I'm just glad!