Nutnudger Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I just don't like it, we have two kids we are lucky my wife is an Australian so the kids have an AU passport, but I just hate the feeling from some people about people on a 457, this to me would looks like the government is looking to win win if people were put off then they say "we'll we have taken steps to make the 457 not look so appealing" and if people continue to use it then they end up takeing even more money off you it's win win for them people already pay a lot in tax, this isn't a bond that's being paid against the seat your kids are taking up at school its a tax on anyone that comes here with kids, now with all that said I don't want to get in to a verbal fight with anyone, it just the way I feel about it but feel free to disagree with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraighttothePoint Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 this to me would looks like the government is looking to win win if people were put off then they say "we'll we have taken steps to make the 457 not look so appealing" and if people continue to use it then they end up takeing even more money off you it's win win for them. And that is exactly how both state and federal governments play it in relation to a whole range of issues. I think the longer people who come to Oz have lived here then they see this more and more as it is so obvious. At least in other countries you are "shafted" more subtley by the politicians 457's have been for a while now an area where political points can be scored and where, in an election year, Kevin can use any changes to his own political gain. As you say people pay a lot in tax but surely people pay tax based on what they earn, what the Aussie tax rules are and should be aware of that before coming? I do not think you will get into a verbal fight with anyone with your views because hopefully most folk on this site respect each others points. We all have different starting points, circumstances, political believes and therefore by default views. As BT once said, "It's good to talk". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verystormy Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Firstly, and as an ex 457 holder, I think a lot of 457 holders do not understand their position. It is a temp visa. It is not a stepping stone to PR. It should not be considered a stepping stone to PR. Those by the way are the words from my migration agent when we first moved over. In reality it is little different to me working FIFO in Africa. I am on a temp visa. Zero difference. there is no reason why a 457 should not be treated differently. I think it can be expected these fees will rise significantly in the near future. Several states already charge a lot more than this. The backlash avaunt 457 is understandable when looked at against the unemployment figures today. In the last year WA produced 6000 new full time jobs. But the population increased 68000. Probably 90% of the occupations available for 457 should be abolished as there probably is no reason for them. Including my own - and I have a number of ex colleagues on 457 that are good friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraighttothePoint Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 It is not a stepping stone to PR. Wether it is or not several overseas people have used it and gone onto PR. True or not? I agree entirely that it is not supposed to seen a stepping stone but it has been firstly used and then people have got PR after being on it so therefore it will be viewed as an option. If using it this way is seen as "rorting" by the government then they need to, as you rightly say, abolish the vast majority of occupations from the list of those that can be approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portlaunay Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 When we came here we pretty much knew we'd never be going back to the UK. The 457 gave us the opportunity to get out of London and make a massive change but we didn't imagine for a second we were guaranteed 'indefinite leave to remain' in Oz, merely that it presented a means for adventure. I couldn't go back to the UK, it's difficult to explain but you know when it's cold and you're wrapped up warm but your toes are still freezing? No matter what you do, until your feet are toasty warm, you're just not comfortable. That was me in the UK. If we were still in the UK would it have stopped us coming? No, but then we really didn't do any research, we just jumped in. If I'd read this forum more thoroughly prior to coming I probably wouldn't be here, some of you are just too darn sensible. It does feel like there's a storm cloud on the horizon though and it is headed this way but it has little to do with visa's. Whatever happens we are all incredibly fortunate, there are others out there who are truly in dire straits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Bite me!! Um er, didn't think it was that sort of forum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joannet9845 Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Even without the 4k you still pay fees I am here with 3kids I pay higher taxs me and my hubby and school fees plus books ect so I don't think it's righ no way as us people on a 457 already take a hit with every thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraighttothePoint Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) Even without the 4k you still pay fees I am here with 3kids I pay higher taxs me and my hubby and school fees plus books ect so I don't think it's righ no way as us people on a 457 already take a hit with every thing Are your kids currently at a state school? If so what fees are there at the moment? Also are you not paying tax based on what you earn like, we all do, and as Goat says the same as a permanent resident? Edited August 9, 2013 by StraighttothePoint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Even without the 4k you still pay fees I am here with 3kids I pay higher taxs me and my hubby and school fees plus books ect so I don't think it's righ no way as us people on a 457 already take a hit with every thing You pay same tax as a permanent resident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 You pay same tax as a permanent resident Perhaps the poster meant 45% tax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Perhaps the poster meant 45% tax? You mean moretax on a temp aka whv , 457 dosent apply for this , but a lot think it does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weedolly Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Even without the 4k you still pay fees I am here with 3kids I pay higher taxs me and my hubby and school fees plus books ect so I don't think it's righ no way as us people on a 457 already take a hit with every thing But you knew that before you came! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rach Mulcrone Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 We are here on 457 visas and the main reason is there aren't Australians who have the skills, qualifications or experience Australia needs! I am very upset by the new fees as the only other states that charge these fees are NSW and ACT. We have 4 children and this new measure will kill us! We don't expect hand outs but a fair chance would be great . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 We are here on 457 visas and the main reason is there aren't Australians who have the skills, qualifications or experience Australia needs! I am very upset by the new fees as the only other states that charge these fees are NSW and ACT. We have 4 children and this new measure will kill us! We don't expect hand outs but a fair chance would be great . I suspect that the other states may follow suit at some point as half of the them will be charging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 We are here on 457 visas and the main reason is there aren't Australians who have the skills, qualifications or experience Australia needs! I am very upset by the new fees as the only other states that charge these fees are NSW and ACT. We have 4 children and this new measure will kill us! We don't expect hand outs but a fair chance would be great . I would feel the same in your position. As a senior manager with 30 years experience, 15 of which with the same employer, they will just have to manage without me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weedolly Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 I would feel the same in your position. As a senior manager with 30 years experience, 15 of which with the same employer, they will just have to manage without me!! Am sure Australia will manage if you decide not to come, there will always be someone else that will want the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joannet9845 Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 But you knew that before you came! No not about the 4k per. Child we did not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfie Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Am sure Australia will manage if you decide not to come, there will always be someone else that will want the job. on a 457 lolol get a grip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joannet9845 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 on a 457 lolol get a grip its ok for people to give it out, but every ones life is different and not every one came here to make big money then head of home. ......which I find really silly that people say that, as there is no way me and my husband and 3 kids could do that on a 457, we pay our own way which leaves nothing left really so live in the real world cos I think it's you that needs to get a GRIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraighttothePoint Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 its ok for people to give it out, but every ones life is different and not every one came here to make big money then head of home. ......which I find really silly that people say that, as there is no way me and my husband and 3 kids could do that on a 457, we pay our own way which leaves nothing left really so live in the real world cos I think it's you that needs to get a GRIP Things will never run smoothly for everyone and as you say everyone is different. We all make plans, take risks and have to live with our decisions. Also the "real world' as you put it is something different to all of us because again we all have different priorities and financial situations. The one thing that is crystal clear though is that for years now Perth has been a desitination where, for some, the costs of living here are going to far out weigh their perceived benefits and more and more will realize that as time goes on and the economy continues to soften. Out of interest, and based on the fact that a 457 is issued for a specific year period, what were your plans, or thoughts, on what you as a family would do in terms of it's use? Was it to come over and go back or did you see it as a stepping stone to another visa type or PR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verystormy Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 its ok for people to give it out, but every ones life is different and not every one came here to make big money then head of home. ......which I find really silly that people say that, as there is no way me and my husband and 3 kids could do that on a 457, we pay our own way which leaves nothing left really so live in the real world cos I think it's you that needs to get a GRIP But, in a lot of ways. That is the point of the 457. You are coming here for a very limited stay - it is only two years more than a working holiday. You then return. If not improving your life on return it begs the question as to why you would bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfie Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) In reply to Joanne - soz i messed up reply with quote I totally agree with what you saying it is hard for some people very hard and yes everyone's life is very different that's the point im trying to get across I am not a heartless person. I admire people with young children making the decision to leave the country of their origin family friends etc. Its something I would never have done when my son was small. It is plain sailing for some coming to Australia but not for everyone my hubby and I included. Edited August 12, 2013 by elfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugsyburrell Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 When we first started our visa process, back in April, we negotiated a wage with our lifestyle budget in mind but it did not include a three kid levy!!?? Now, we fully understand and appreciate the method of thinking with it but believe it should be a gradual process and not just BOOM there it is!! That said, it hasn't put us off, it's just another hurdle to overcome and a bit more overtime. I think I previously stated that the take outs are out the window. We, like many here have the philosophy in life, you don't know if you don't try and moving on a 457 to see if we like Australia and more importantly if Australia likes us? if it works we apply for pr, if not at least we tried and had the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portlaunay Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 But, in a lot of ways. That is the point of the 457. You are coming here for a very limited stay - it is only two years more than a working holiday. You then return. If not improving your life on return it begs the question as to why you would bother? I guess it depends on what unit of measurement you use on your 'improvent' scale. For some, clearly it is about money but for us it's about experience, community, development opportunities for our children, dealing with challenge and changes in a positive way and learning from our experiences. If we don't get PR then we will simply find somewhere else that offers us another nourishing experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weedolly Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 on a 457 lolol get a grip Well it was good enough for you!!!!! Are you ever civil to anyone?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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